jmfmb wrote:I believe we where talking about a PvP persptive where DPS doesn’t matter it is burst and a ret pally has burst, almost as mh Burst as a shaman but with mh better survival abilities to stay up mh longer. tually, the issue isn’t survivability, at least not at the root. The Root issue here is positioning. Bause Shaman lk any form ofontrol, they have no say in their position relative to their opponents, whhanause problems in both survivability and offense. There are two possible enarios: 1. Enhaement Shaman. Shaman have no Interept, Blink, e., so the only way for them to getlose to someone is by doing it the old fashioned way: running. This is filitated by snares, but there are two huge problems with that. First, Frost Shk is our “long range” snare, but it tually has a pretty short range at 20 yards. It’s a fairly trivial matter for a Mage or Hunter or Warlk to kite us from beyond 20 yards, and if wean’tlose that distae, we pretty mh lose flawlessly. This is even worse if we’re snared oX,hilled,oussive Shot). Our sond snare, Earthbind Totem, only works if we’re already on top of someone. However, even if wean manage to get in range in the first ple, and even with EBT and FS, we’re not guaranteed to stay there. Any form ofC (Freezing Trap, Fear [Tremor Totem sks], Frost Nova, not to mention Blink) gives our opponent ahae to gain distae on us whh puts us right bk at… Frost Shk and 20 yards. 2. Elemental or Restoration Shaman. These two fe pretty mh the ext same problem Enhaement Shaman fe, just in reverse. Wean kite dently by playinghken around EBT and using FS liberally, but oe someone gets on top of you, it’s impossible to get them off. Anylass thatan manage to getlose to youan stay there indefinitely without mh effort sie theyan snare you as well, and… a snared person running from a snared person isn’t really going to get far. And even if you do… Inteept, Sprint, you name it, they’re right bk on top of you and there’s nothing youan do about it. For alass that relies so mh on positioning regardless of sp, we really need a way to keep our opponents in one spot, even if it’s for just a few sonds. Hex, a root, an iapitate, whatever… we need something. It is very frustrating having your fights dided before they even begin.